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« Reply #300 on: November 28, 2017, 10:22:02 AM »
We helped someone downsize when they moved last year. Tossed a dumpster's worth of stuff. Had a garage sale for the rest.

Still think most of it got tossed or donated b/c it didn't sell.

When they moved they needed an "all hands on deck" event b/c they couldn't do it for themselves (age). Was just too much stuff.

We collectively and willingly got it done.

Healthy enough to shop and bring it home but not healthy enough to haul it off to Goodwill.

Saw them over the holiday weekend and they are back to buying knick-knacks and the garage is still piled with stuff from the old house.

I just don't get it.

Makes me want to go to our home and clean out a closet just because!

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« Reply #301 on: November 28, 2017, 02:30:22 PM »
Joe, that is terrible. We downsized and are careful now about what we bring into the house. However, we did it ourselves even though we are older too.  I don't want to leave a bunch of junk for my kids to deal with.  Also it is nice not having so much stuff.

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« Reply #302 on: November 28, 2017, 02:39:23 PM »
Joe, that is terrible. We downsized and are careful now about what we bring into the house. However, we did it ourselves even though we are older too.  I don't want to leave a bunch of junk for my kids to deal with.  Also it is nice not having so much stuff.

The DW and I lost our mothers, three weeks apart. It literally took months, and months of work, whenever the siblings could find the time, to get rid of all the stuff those two had accumulated during their lifetimes. I really think that, as parents, we owe it to our children to not saddle them with dumpsters full of valueless shit, after we are gone. We recently moved into a new home. After 30+ years of marriage, and raising a family, our total accumulation of stuff fit into a single U-haul truck. In the case of the MIL's place, that truck could of been filled three times with nothing but nearly valueless accumulation, much of which ended up in the landfill.

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« Reply #303 on: November 28, 2017, 03:13:53 PM »
My Dad became very ill at 59 and my Mom retired. I was a SAHP at the time so we tackled their basement and attic where everything no longer being used went to die:))   WE had a ton of garage sales and then took the rest to Goodwill or gave it to friends. They then moved into an apartment.   AFter my DAd died my Mom got rid of his stuff and when she got terminal cancer she downsized her stuff a lot. She had us look through her photo albums and take what we wanted. Then she walked to the dumpster and threw them in. That was one of the saddest moments for me.   She also planned and paid for her own funeral.   She asked people to sing and wrote her own obituary. Talk about a gift to us 3 kids.

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« Reply #304 on: November 29, 2017, 12:58:55 AM »
My wife says the compulsive buying and hoarding likely stems from growing up not having much. I dunno though, she grew up and didn't have much and doesn't hoard or buy crap.... on the other hand, she views her conservative stance on saving money as a means of "hoarding" - I can see this.

With my parents it's just ridiculous. They both have to feel as though they got some sort of "value" out of buying junk. This comes out even in their eating habits - they'll go out to some crappy restaurant like Applebee's and take my nephews their because "it's a good value" and "they give you a lot of food for the price" in addition to "we can only go on certain days because that's when they have a BOGOF deal" --- funny thing is, my wife and son went with them and the nephews this last time around and my wife said her mac and cheese was cold and the chicken was rubbery... not quite sure why they keep going back to the crap food. In the same way, not sure why they can't stop buying crap. Reminds me of the time my mom *bragged* about going to CVS where she cleared off a shelf of junk, which she acknowledged when a store employee was like "wow, you're the only one who I've seen willing to clear all the Easter stuff off the shelves. Thanks!" ("Easter Stuff" likely consisted really awful and unhealthy candies, plastic eggs, stupid cheap Easter-themed toys/trinkets, etc - it was probably 90% off and she justified buying it because she had CVS bucks from all her prior extreme couponing antics). Then she tries to offload all this stuff to me and my brothers and their kids - I'm sure most of it gets tossed, donated, or stored in a room (particularly at my second oldest brother's place, who has hoarding/cleanliness issues himself as we were reminded of during this most recent trip). SMH.
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« Reply #305 on: November 29, 2017, 08:36:17 AM »
We recently went to a restaurant (one of the good ones we are supposed to believe) and it just wasn't a "wow" experience anymore. Typical franchise sit down meal.

Not bad, not great and then my MMM kicked in and I was thinking of how much groceries we could have bought instead with the $50. ;) Its me not them.

We have gotten to a point where I am even cooking some of the time @ home and nobody has died yet. Admittedly my cooking isn't elaborate.

As for the clutter folks I mentioned - if something happened to them and I was in charge I'd open the house to their family, tell everyone take everything they want. And then group haul the rest to Goodwill and never look back. No more of this sorting and trying to decide whether to garage sale it or give it to someone specific or overthinking it.

The person I talked to was saying over the holidays - "I need to get the (grown) kids down here to help me open each box and sort through them..."

Nope, those boxes have been sitting there for 6 months or more. Nobody has needed it so far. Someone needs to bring a van or pickup, open each box and glance inside to make sure there isn't a stack of gold bars inside and then on the vehicle it goes. We'd have the spare room cleared in 15 minutes. No looking back or reconsidering what ought to get saved. Let the next person enjoy those items. But, alas not my circus.

Dang, now I want to run home and clean out something in our house again... ;)

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« Reply #306 on: November 29, 2017, 09:03:47 AM »
We recently went to a restaurant (one of the good ones we are supposed to believe) and it just wasn't a "wow" experience anymore. Typical franchise sit down meal.

Not bad, not great and then my MMM kicked in and I was thinking of how much groceries we could have bought instead with the $50. ;) Its me not them.

We have gotten to a point where I am even cooking some of the time @ home and nobody has died yet. Admittedly my cooking isn't elaborate.

As for the clutter folks I mentioned - if something happened to them and I was in charge I'd open the house to their family, tell everyone take everything they want. And then group haul the rest to Goodwill and never look back. No more of this sorting and trying to decide whether to garage sale it or give it to someone specific or overthinking it.

The person I talked to was saying over the holidays - "I need to get the (grown) kids down here to help me open each box and sort through them..."

Nope, those boxes have been sitting there for 6 months or more. Nobody has needed it so far. Someone needs to bring a van or pickup, open each box and glance inside to make sure there isn't a stack of gold bars inside and then on the vehicle it goes. We'd have the spare room cleared in 15 minutes. No looking back or reconsidering what ought to get saved. Let the next person enjoy those items. But, alas not my circus.

Dang, now I want to run home and clean out something in our house again... ;)

Side-gig possibility: express cleanouts of people's garages and basements. Gone in 1 hour or you don't pay. ;)

I honestly hope, if you are faced with this situation, that you enjoy a whole lot of success, as you watch friends and family haul everything off, and leave you with little. Sadly, we did this for both of our moms, mentioned in a recent post, and it was nearly a total failure,  and ended with maybe 5% of the volume of stuff being given to friends and relatives. I believe our experience was typical, and reflects the values of our society, at the moment. It's been discussed here at length, in everything context from "valuable collections" of Hummels and Kincade art, to grandmas' furniture, or rooms full of books,  Bottom line is, sadly, very few of us have any interest in cluttering our own lives with that stuff anymore.

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« Reply #307 on: November 29, 2017, 09:15:14 AM »
My mom has done a great job of decluttering her home.  In the process, she tried to give me all kinds of stuff, especially what she had taken from my grandmother's home when GM went to the nursing home.  It was not always pleasant when I refused, and every time mom came to visit she'd bring me a box I'd already said no to.  Most of it is now out of my home.

When GM died last month, my uncle specifically told me that he wanted about a half dozen things that had been in her room.  Sister and I made a special trip back to the home to pack them up for him...and then later he handed the boxes to me and said "these are for you, I knew you'd want to have them."  I was livid.  Those boxes are sitting in my living room; I need to go through them and toss most of it.

Since we're almost out of family stuff, it's getting better.  Unfortunately, my mom, bless her, wants to be absolutely equal to all her grandchildren.  My nephew lives with her, and if she buys him stuff, she feels the need to buy identical/similar stuff for my kids, so we get random packages.  Or, if it's a "boy thing", my son will get something identical and my girls will get something else identical that costs exactly the same amount.  These are usually things my kids don't want...so straight into the Goodwill box they go.

The same pattern repeats on Christmas; there's at least one set of toys that each child gets.  This year, she found an exciting game that "the children will absolutely love!"  It came in different varieties, so she bought 4 copies, one for each kid, in the theme that best suited their interests and personalities.  AND, she expects the kids to bring them all on our planned huge family vacation in 18 months so that we can play them together.  I pointed out that we already have that game in its original variety and rarely play it.  There is no universe in which we need 3 more copies, since we can only play one at a time.  Even if I didn't mind storing 3 copies, I do not want to deal with the bickering over which version we are going to play today. 

Mom was offended and hung up.   I bet my husband $5 there will be a meltdown in 18 months when none of the copies of the game end up on our vacation.
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« Reply #308 on: November 29, 2017, 01:08:40 PM »
My wife says the compulsive buying and hoarding likely stems from growing up not having much. I dunno though, she grew up and didn't have much and doesn't hoard or buy crap.... on the other hand, she views her conservative stance on saving money as a means of "hoarding" - I can see this.

With my parents it's just ridiculous. They both have to feel as though they got some sort of "value" out of buying junk. This comes out even in their eating habits - they'll go out to some crappy restaurant like Applebee's and take my nephews their because "it's a good value" and "they give you a lot of food for the price" in addition to "we can only go on certain days because that's when they have a BOGOF deal" --- funny thing is, my wife and son went with them and the nephews this last time around and my wife said her mac and cheese was cold and the chicken was rubbery... not quite sure why they keep going back to the crap food. In the same way, not sure why they can't stop buying crap.

I hadn't twigged the connection between hoarding and 'value for money' eating out. My retired, 70 y/o parents have started going to a Wetherspoons once a week. They started going out once a week when they retired, and used to go to nicer, but not expensive places.
Wetherspoons' food is crap but it's cheap and there's lots of it so they feel they are getting a deal. They grew up poor but are well off in retirement having worked hard.

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« Reply #309 on: November 29, 2017, 01:28:19 PM »
HMM...  MIL is definitely not a hoarder, but does like nice dishware / serveware.   She just dropped off boxes of items that I can use for an open house party in a couple of weeks.  There is a lot of stuff!  She retired to their second home outside of town (which is a 3 hr trek to get to, including a ferry), about 10 years ago, then proceeded to buy a lot of small appliances, a set of 24 matching dishes and serveware (x2 for large / small plates), 3x packages of eating utensils, etc.   She has only had more than 8 people total to eat at their new place maybe once in 10 years.  IDK.  At least she donated all her old stuff as she bought new, but man, it seems like a lot for 2 people who are retired.

Side note -- I think there is an instant pot and a induction element in one box.  I will have to try those one out! 

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« Reply #310 on: November 29, 2017, 01:31:32 PM »
Old folks and cheap food, absolutely. We spend our winters in FL. but are 15-30 years younger than most of the snowbirds. There are chain restaurants there that make a killing off of the whole concept of catering to that set. Dale Evans, Cracker Barrel, all the usual suspects. Once you combine the snowbirds on the hunt for cheap eats, and the locals wanting to take the family out for affordable dining,  it's a total waste of time to even get near some of those places on the weekend. Pretty hilarious to go to a place that specializes in $8 meals of food service, prefabbed crap, then hear the hostess tell you that it will be a 45 minute wait.  No, really it won't, since waiting 45 minutes for that faux food,  means I'm an idiot.

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« Reply #311 on: November 30, 2017, 01:42:28 AM »
Old folks and cheap food, absolutely. We spend our winters in FL. but are 15-30 years younger than most of the snowbirds. There are chain restaurants there that make a killing off of the whole concept of catering to that set. Dale Evans, Cracker Barrel, all the usual suspects. Once you combine the snowbirds on the hunt for cheap eats, and the locals wanting to take the family out for affordable dining,  it's a total waste of time to even get near some of those places on the weekend. Pretty hilarious to go to a place that specializes in $8 meals of food service, prefabbed crap, then hear the hostess tell you that it will be a 45 minute wait.  No, really it won't, since waiting 45 minutes for that faux food,  means I'm an idiot.

Hometown Buffet is another great one. Sizzler too. LOL. Don't get me wrong, my parents have their share of go-to non-chain restaurants... living in the Bay Area there are fortunately more than 5 choices hahaha. They seem to go through a regular rotation of Chinese food places every few years - complaining about quality and prices before moving onto the next. Other than that, my dad seems to think he's a master chef and often leaves messes in the kitchen for my mom to clean up. His latest craze is "dough" - yes... all kinds of dough. *sigh* And if you ever meet him, don't talk to him about it because he'll just talk your ear off the entire time about all the kinds of dough he's been making and how he's perfected the art of making dough.
Speaking of food, I probably already mentioned this in a prior post but my parents hoard food like crazy. Their upright freezer out in the garage is packed to the brim with food. We have a chest freezer in our garage, so I probably shouldn't talk much, but they probably have 3x as much food in there as we have in ours and it's just the two of them. They have all sorts of other crap in the fridge much of which my mom brings back from the school cafeteria because she subs at different schools, etc and knows all the cafeteria people. So she'll just take the leftovers or whatever they might end up tossing: chocolate milk, Taco Nadas, string cheese, fruit, etc. I guess that's not so bad since she feeds it to my nephews LOL! I was looking for cream cheese last week and found two expired ones, one which had mold growing in it. I asked my wife and she said "Oh you're mom said those are old and just to put them back..." *shrug* so I just put it back, not wanting to disturb the "balance" LOL

HMM...  MIL is definitely not a hoarder, but does like nice dishware / serveware.   She just dropped off boxes of items that I can use for an open house party in a couple of weeks.  There is a lot of stuff!  She retired to their second home outside of town (which is a 3 hr trek to get to, including a ferry), about 10 years ago, then proceeded to buy a lot of small appliances, a set of 24 matching dishes and serveware (x2 for large / small plates), 3x packages of eating utensils, etc.   She has only had more than 8 people total to eat at their new place maybe once in 10 years.  IDK.  At least she donated all her old stuff as she bought new, but man, it seems like a lot for 2 people who are retired.

Side note -- I think there is an instant pot and a induction element in one box.  I will have to try those one out! 

INSTANT POT?! I'll take it if you don't want it! :P Crap, I'm already turning into my parents...
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« Reply #312 on: November 30, 2017, 02:20:28 AM »
I only have it for about 3 weeks...  she is lending me her "slow cooker" for an open house party and brought it to my place when she last drove into town.  She knows it is a pressure cooker / fancy thing, and she loves all new shiny tech appliances, but downplayed it in her description, I was surprised when I looked at what is sitting in the boxes.

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« Reply #313 on: December 01, 2017, 09:06:48 AM »
.. Unfortunately, my mom, bless her, wants to be absolutely equal to all her grandchildren.  My nephew lives with her, and if she buys him stuff, she feels the need to buy identical/similar stuff for my kids, so we get random packages.  Or, if it's a "boy thing", my son will get something identical and my girls will get something else identical that costs exactly the same amount.  These are usually things my kids don't want...so straight into the Goodwill box they go.

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This is a great opportunity to set up 529s or vanguard taxable investment accounts for your kids.  Ms Fredbear and I cannot stand to buy yet more brightly colored plastic crap for the Most Precious Grandchildren (MPGC).  We would much rather put the money in their accounts.  Also it is easier to maintain dollar-dollar fairness that way, than it is to buy one piece of dreck and make sure the compensatory piece of druck cost exactly the same. 

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« Reply #314 on: December 01, 2017, 01:29:43 PM »
We have 529s for all the kids; I actually used to give my nephew college money instead of presents.  Mom wants "to see the joy in their eyes when they open stuff."

She was over last night and saw the massive pile of stuff that the littlest decluttered from his room - including things she bought him six months ago.  Maybe that will help.
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« Reply #315 on: December 04, 2017, 12:11:10 PM »
Old folks and cheap food, absolutely. We spend our winters in FL. but are 15-30 years younger than most of the snowbirds. There are chain restaurants there that make a killing off of the whole concept of catering to that set. Dale Evans, Cracker Barrel, all the usual suspects. Once you combine the snowbirds on the hunt for cheap eats, and the locals wanting to take the family out for affordable dining,  it's a total waste of time to even get near some of those places on the weekend. Pretty hilarious to go to a place that specializes in $8 meals of food service, prefabbed crap, then hear the hostess tell you that it will be a 45 minute wait.  No, really it won't, since waiting 45 minutes for that faux food,  means I'm an idiot.

Hometown Buffet is another great one. Sizzler too. LOL. Don't get me wrong, my parents have their share of go-to non-chain restaurants... living in the Bay Area there are fortunately more than 5 choices hahaha. They seem to go through a regular rotation of Chinese food places every few years - complaining about quality and prices before moving onto the next. Other than that, my dad seems to think he's a master chef and often leaves messes in the kitchen for my mom to clean up. His latest craze is "dough" - yes... all kinds of dough. *sigh* And if you ever meet him, don't talk to him about it because he'll just talk your ear off the entire time about all the kinds of dough he's been making and how he's perfected the art of making dough.
Speaking of food, I probably already mentioned this in a prior post but my parents hoard food like crazy. Their upright freezer out in the garage is packed to the brim with food. We have a chest freezer in our garage, so I probably shouldn't talk much, but they probably have 3x as much food in there as we have in ours and it's just the two of them. They have all sorts of other crap in the fridge much of which my mom brings back from the school cafeteria because she subs at different schools, etc and knows all the cafeteria people. So she'll just take the leftovers or whatever they might end up tossing: chocolate milk, Taco Nadas, string cheese, fruit, etc. I guess that's not so bad since she feeds it to my nephews LOL! I was looking for cream cheese last week and found two expired ones, one which had mold growing in it. I asked my wife and she said "Oh you're mom said those are old and just to put them back..." *shrug* so I just put it back, not wanting to disturb the "balance" LOL

HMM...  MIL is definitely not a hoarder, but does like nice dishware / serveware.   She just dropped off boxes of items that I can use for an open house party in a couple of weeks.  There is a lot of stuff!  She retired to their second home outside of town (which is a 3 hr trek to get to, including a ferry), about 10 years ago, then proceeded to buy a lot of small appliances, a set of 24 matching dishes and serveware (x2 for large / small plates), 3x packages of eating utensils, etc.   She has only had more than 8 people total to eat at their new place maybe once in 10 years.  IDK.  At least she donated all her old stuff as she bought new, but man, it seems like a lot for 2 people who are retired.

Side note -- I think there is an instant pot and a induction element in one box.  I will have to try those one out! 

INSTANT POT?! I'll take it if you don't want it! :P Crap, I'm already turning into my parents...

Growing up, my dad did most of the cooking (My mom's work hours were longer, and she had a very long commute). Now that he's 66, I think my dad has decided he paid his dues. He deosn't want to spend his remaining time on this earth cooking (my mom still works similar hours). So he doesn't. I think older folks often feel this way, hence the popularity of these restaurants.

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« Reply #316 on: December 05, 2017, 07:45:33 AM »
I haven't been on here for a long time but this title caught my interest this morning !
My dad was given quite a bit of money from my grandmother before she passed away. Him and his wife (my step-mom) bought some much needed items. Now with this stash of money, my step-mom started buying all kinds of glassware at garage sales. Some she would keep and some she would sell on consignment at an antiques shop. That was about 5 years ago..... fast forward and now she is slowly emptying out 5 china cabinets and an entire wall of shelves of glassware. I only see them twice a year and the past two years she will ask if I want anything... I tell her " oh sure, I can find a use for that"  I take 3 or 4 boxes away and deliver them to Goodwill or other thrift shops in my area. I figure this way, I am saving myself, my sister and step-sister a hassle years down the road. I've been to several estate sales where no one has touched anything in 50+ years....its a nightmare.

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« Reply #317 on: December 05, 2017, 02:12:52 PM »
As a baby boomer I can say that you do get sick of cooking. We now eat out 2-3x's a week which we never ever did when young. Also if you are out doing fun things you don't want to have to interrupt it to come home to eat.

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« Reply #318 on: December 06, 2017, 09:52:02 AM »
As a baby boomer I can say that you do get sick of cooking. We now eat out 2-3x's a week which we never ever did when young. Also if you are out doing fun things you don't want to have to interrupt it to come home to eat.
We do not go to restaurants often, and we never have take out delivered, but I have to add that I go to grocery store delis at least once a week. So yeah, that is my “someone else cooks” experience. In retirement I spend u limited money on food,  no more budgeting.

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« Reply #319 on: December 06, 2017, 10:08:16 AM »
I've been to several estate sales where no one has touched anything in 50+ years....its a nightmare.

One branch of my family tree is rooted in the Pennsylvania Dutch heritage. This is a line of old Germanic rural folks that spoke their own language and were noted for their frugality. The PA. Dutch farming father of one of our friends passed away, and left the farm to his kids. One is a great young man, who was so infatuated with farming since he was little, that he went to a state Uni. for an Ag. degree and is now trying to make a living as a farmer. Sadly, the farm was once a turkey farm, which typically includes an pretty significant amount of barn space. This poor kid inherited tens of thousands of square feet of barns FULL to the rafters with junk. The old farmer wasn't really a hoarder, but just kept old stuff, since there was no reason to throw it out, you might need it some day. They literally pushed EVERY worn out vehicle they bought and used up, since the 1960s. into an unused barn. Worn out, rusted out cars, pickups, farm equipment, etc.... That's only a small fraction of the mess. The kid will have thousands of hours spent digging out from that disaster.

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« Reply #320 on: December 06, 2017, 10:45:13 AM »
I've been to several estate sales where no one has touched anything in 50+ years....its a nightmare.

One branch of my family tree is rooted in the Pennsylvania Dutch heritage. This is a line of old Germanic rural folks that spoke their own language and were noted for their frugality. The PA. Dutch farming father of one of our friends passed away, and left the farm to his kids. One is a great young man, who was so infatuated with farming since he was little, that he went to a state Uni. for an Ag. degree and is now trying to make a living as a farmer. Sadly, the farm was once a turkey farm, which typically includes an pretty significant amount of barn space. This poor kid inherited tens of thousands of square feet of barns FULL to the rafters with junk. The old farmer wasn't really a hoarder, but just kept old stuff, since there was no reason to throw it out, you might need it some day. They literally pushed EVERY worn out vehicle they bought and used up, since the 1960s. into an unused barn. Worn out, rusted out cars, pickups, farm equipment, etc.... That's only a small fraction of the mess. The kid will have thousands of hours spent digging out from that disaster.

Well, depending on what it all is, some of it may actually be wanted by some one. Might help with disposal fees at least.

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Re: Do any of your parents hoard and try to give you crap and other dumb stuff?
« Reply #321 on: December 06, 2017, 12:37:12 PM »
For a long time I believed that wastefulness and hoarding were the extreme ends of a spectrum. Wasteful behavior consisted of failing to maintain what you own or throwing out perfectly useful things that would be needed in short order, and then repurchasing the item or-- worse still!-- renting or leasing it at a high cost and having "nothing to show for it" after a long period of time. Hoarding, the opposite end of the spectrum, consisted of holding onto (and frequently paying for space to store) unnecessary and useless items to the point where having the item compromises the utility or cleanliness of one's own living space. Each end of the spectrum had its advantages. The wasteful lifestyle was flexible, because people who pursued it were flexible and could spontaneously do fun things or change locations to take advantage of a job or travel opportunity since they weren't tied down by their belongings. The hoarder lifestyle was stable, because the hoarder was seldom without a particular necessary or useful item due to his or her habit of over-purchasing. But the best and most comfortable lifestyles were closer to the middle of the spectrum, with a healthy and well-balanced person acquiring necessary belongings and keeping them clean and in good repair, while avoiding clutter by giving away or selling unused or obsolete items.

I no longer subscribe to this binary view, and Mustachianism is one reason why. There's a third option: to take a minimalist approach. In the minimalist approach, decluttering is seldom necessary because excess items aren't brought into the home in the first place. As an item wears out, it is discarded, repurposed, or recycled as appropriate. The items bought aren't necessarily the cheapest, except in cases where there's no relationship between the durability of the item and its sticker price. But a minimalist does tend to care for his or her belongings and keep track of them.
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Re: Do any of your parents hoard and try to give you crap and other dumb stuff?
« Reply #322 on: December 06, 2017, 01:29:33 PM »
I find minimalism is actually pretty wasteful in practice.   People buy single use, small quantity items frequently, and continually toss and rebuy later if they need that thing.  They don't buy extra, and only what they use, but they do discard things rather than storing them.

A great example is a the minimalist traveller -- the one who waits to buy the extra Tshirts and underpants suited for their trip, after arriving, then tosses it before coming home.   

Another person I know has a minimal kitchen, but goes out to eat a lot because they can't make more than very basic foods at home with the equipment that they have.   Pizza tastes better with a pizza stone, never preserve foods or buys in bulk, have minimal spices, etc.

A third person keeps no materials for making basic repairs around home.  Every time they either need to hire someone or go out to buy a new tube of glue or a 4 pack of fasteners or WD-40, and they buy the tiny sizes because they just toss.
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Re: Do any of your parents hoard and try to give you crap and other dumb stuff?
« Reply #323 on: December 06, 2017, 02:05:15 PM »
What a waste Goldielocks. I didn't realize that people actually did this.

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Re: Do any of your parents hoard and try to give you crap and other dumb stuff?
« Reply #324 on: December 06, 2017, 02:09:00 PM »
I find minimalism is actually pretty wasteful in practice.   People buy single use, small quantity items frequency, and continually toss and rebuy later if they need that thing.  They don't buy extra, and only what they use, but they do discard things rather than storing them.

A great example is a the minimalist traveller -- the one who waits to buy the extra Tshirts and underpants suited for their trip, after arriving, then tosses it before coming home.   

Another person I know has a minimal kitchen, but goes out to eat a lot because they can't make more than very basic foods at home with the equipment that they have.   Pizza tastes better with a pizza stone, never preserve foods or buy in bulk, have minimal spices, etc.

A third person keeps no materials for making basic repairs around home.  Every time they need to hire someone or go out to buy a new tube of glue or a fasteners or WD-40, and they buy the tiny sizes because they just toss.

That wasn't what I intended to suggest as "minimalism". I'd have put that more on the "wasteful" end of the original spectrum (use-and-toss). I've never heard of a minimalist traveler purchasing and tossing clothing but if you've run across some of them I do believe you. What I've heard of them doing, and what I've done myself, is packing only a few clothing items and washing them more than once during an extended trip. Some of the RV'ers on this forum have this approach. The person with the minimalist kitchen might not have to go out to eat much if he or she were satisfied with simple or basic foods. There are people who are.

What I was trying to get across is that there's a third option of "not buying in the first place" instead of "buying then tossing" or "buying then hoarding".
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Re: Do any of your parents hoard and try to give you crap and other dumb stuff?
« Reply #325 on: December 06, 2017, 02:13:46 PM »
I find minimalism is actually pretty wasteful in practice.   People buy single use, small quantity items frequency, and continually toss and rebuy later if they need that thing.  They don't buy extra, and only what they use, but they do discard things rather than storing them.

A great example is a the minimalist traveller -- the one who waits to buy the extra Tshirts and underpants suited for their trip, after arriving, then tosses it before coming home.   

Another person I know has a minimal kitchen, but goes out to eat a lot because they can't make more than very basic foods at home with the equipment that they have.   Pizza tastes better with a pizza stone, never preserve foods or buy in bulk, have minimal spices, etc.

A third person keeps no materials for making basic repairs around home.  Every time they need to hire someone or go out to buy a new tube of glue or a fasteners or WD-40, and they buy the tiny sizes because they just toss.

Frugality and minimalism don't always mix, but I do think they are pretty compatible. Clearly not in the examples you gave but having less kitchen gadgets means less desire for a larger kitchen. Less clothes means less baggage fees, closet space, and money spent on new additions.

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Re: Do any of your parents hoard and try to give you crap and other dumb stuff?
« Reply #326 on: December 06, 2017, 07:14:42 PM »
I find minimalism is actually pretty wasteful in practice.   People buy single use, small quantity items frequency, and continually toss and rebuy later if they need that thing.  They don't buy extra, and only what they use, but they do discard things rather than storing them.

A great example is a the minimalist traveller -- the one who waits to buy the extra Tshirts and underpants suited for their trip, after arriving, then tosses it before coming home.   

Another person I know has a minimal kitchen, but goes out to eat a lot because they can't make more than very basic foods at home with the equipment that they have.   Pizza tastes better with a pizza stone, never preserve foods or buy in bulk, have minimal spices, etc.

A third person keeps no materials for making basic repairs around home.  Every time they need to hire someone or go out to buy a new tube of glue or a fasteners or WD-40, and they buy the tiny sizes because they just toss.

 I've never heard of a minimalist traveler purchasing and tossing clothing but if you've run across some of them I do believe you.  Some of the RV'ers on this forum have this approach. The person with the minimalist kitchen might not have to go out to eat much if he or she were satisfied with simple or basic foods. There are people who are.


I have met a few travellers, all male but maybe that is just because I know more male solo travelers.   They pride themselves in "no luggage".   Typically the ones with a "carry on" about the size of a camera bag,  smaller 20L backpack, and no other baggage.   Take one change of clothing, comb, but don't even take a toothbrush or paste.  Buy swim trunks if they need them, or a pair of shoes if they need more than the loafers they are wearing... these items do not return.

I travelled France for a month this year with a single 40L backpack.   My friend pointed out how much luggage that was compared to him.    He has a lot of money, which is how I discovered the hidden side of "minimal" travelling.   Yes, I could have travelled without a clothes line and laundry soap, but the cost goes up to do laundry.  Yes, I could have left my travel cutlery and bowl at home, but food costs go up...

Take a look at minimalist lifestyles,  yes, there are Jacob at ERE that actually simplify their lives for a long haul.  BUT, some of those shown on TV for decorating and decluttering, for example, actually buy new items and take care of them, repeating 3-5 years....
Technically, "Minimal" clothing does not actually mean that you BUY less clothing per year, it only means that you STORE less clothing at one time...

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Re: Do any of your parents hoard and try to give you crap and other dumb stuff?
« Reply #327 on: December 06, 2017, 07:59:08 PM »
My dad's new thing is to send a group text to my siblings and I, with a photo of some random shit in his house, asking if any of us want it. 

We inevitably all reply no, and he then either tosses it or keeps it anyway because reasons. 

At least he is getting rid of some stuff.  FTR he is not at hoarder level, just at "why does a 60 year old live in a 3000 sq ft house with closets full of old shit" level. 
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Re: Do any of your parents hoard and try to give you crap and other dumb stuff?
« Reply #328 on: December 07, 2017, 08:58:55 AM »
I find minimalism is actually pretty wasteful in practice.   People buy single use, small quantity items frequency, and continually toss and rebuy later if they need that thing.  They don't buy extra, and only what they use, but they do discard things rather than storing them.

A great example is a the minimalist traveller -- the one who waits to buy the extra Tshirts and underpants suited for their trip, after arriving, then tosses it before coming home.   

Another person I know has a minimal kitchen, but goes out to eat a lot because they can't make more than very basic foods at home with the equipment that they have.   Pizza tastes better with a pizza stone, never preserve foods or buy in bulk, have minimal spices, etc.

A third person keeps no materials for making basic repairs around home.  Every time they need to hire someone or go out to buy a new tube of glue or a fasteners or WD-40, and they buy the tiny sizes because they just toss.

 I've never heard of a minimalist traveler purchasing and tossing clothing but if you've run across some of them I do believe you.  Some of the RV'ers on this forum have this approach. The person with the minimalist kitchen might not have to go out to eat much if he or she were satisfied with simple or basic foods. There are people who are.


I have met a few travellers, all male but maybe that is just because I know more male solo travelers.   They pride themselves in "no luggage".   Typically the ones with a "carry on" about the size of a camera bag,  smaller 20L backpack, and no other baggage.   Take one change of clothing, comb, but don't even take a toothbrush or paste.  Buy swim trunks if they need them, or a pair of shoes if they need more than the loafers they are wearing... these items do not return.

I travelled France for a month this year with a single 40L backpack.   My friend pointed out how much luggage that was compared to him.    He has a lot of money, which is how I discovered the hidden side of "minimal" travelling.   Yes, I could have travelled without a clothes line and laundry soap, but the cost goes up to do laundry.  Yes, I could have left my travel cutlery and bowl at home, but food costs go up...

Take a look at minimalist lifestyles,  yes, there are Jacob at ERE that actually simplify their lives for a long haul.  BUT, some of those shown on TV for decorating and decluttering, for example, actually buy new items and take care of them, repeating 3-5 years....
Technically, "Minimal" clothing does not actually mean that you BUY less clothing per year, it only means that you STORE less clothing at one time...

If that's the generally accepted definition-- it wasn't what I meant by "minimal"-- then perhaps we need a word besides "minimal" to describe buying and owning less. Unless we want to co-opt "Mustachian", however Mustachianism is a much broader term.
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Re: Do any of your parents hoard and try to give you crap and other dumb stuff?
« Reply #329 on: December 07, 2017, 05:44:11 PM »
I think "minimalism" means buying and owning less stuff. Buying stuff to use and toss is treating stuff as "disposable" (disposalism? disposablism?).

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Re: Do any of your parents hoard and try to give you crap and other dumb stuff?
« Reply #330 on: December 08, 2017, 01:57:55 AM »
I think "minimalism" means buying and owning less stuff. Buying stuff to use and toss is treating stuff as "disposable" (disposalism? disposablism?).
All the examples of minimalism I've ever seen involve uncluttered spaces with enormous hidden cupboards/storage spaces full of the stuff that wasn't on display.
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Re: Do any of your parents hoard and try to give you crap and other dumb stuff?
« Reply #331 on: December 09, 2017, 09:53:57 AM »
Old folks and cheap food, absolutely. We spend our winters in FL. but are 15-30 years younger than most of the snowbirds. There are chain restaurants there that make a killing off of the whole concept of catering to that set. Dale Evans, Cracker Barrel, all the usual suspects. Once you combine the snowbirds on the hunt for cheap eats, and the locals wanting to take the family out for affordable dining,  it's a total waste of time to even get near some of those places on the weekend. Pretty hilarious to go to a place that specializes in $8 meals of food service, prefabbed crap, then hear the hostess tell you that it will be a 45 minute wait.  No, really it won't, since waiting 45 minutes for that faux food,  means I'm an idiot.

Hometown Buffet is another great one. Sizzler too. LOL. Don't get me wrong, my parents have their share of go-to non-chain restaurants... living in the Bay Area there are fortunately more than 5 choices hahaha. They seem to go through a regular rotation of Chinese food places every few years - complaining about quality and prices before moving onto the next. Other than that, my dad seems to think he's a master chef and often leaves messes in the kitchen for my mom to clean up. His latest craze is "dough" - yes... all kinds of dough. *sigh* And if you ever meet him, don't talk to him about it because he'll just talk your ear off the entire time about all the kinds of dough he's been making and how he's perfected the art of making dough.
Speaking of food, I probably already mentioned this in a prior post but my parents hoard food like crazy. Their upright freezer out in the garage is packed to the brim with food. We have a chest freezer in our garage, so I probably shouldn't talk much, but they probably have 3x as much food in there as we have in ours and it's just the two of them. They have all sorts of other crap in the fridge much of which my mom brings back from the school cafeteria because she subs at different schools, etc and knows all the cafeteria people. So she'll just take the leftovers or whatever they might end up tossing: chocolate milk, Taco Nadas, string cheese, fruit, etc. I guess that's not so bad since she feeds it to my nephews LOL! I was looking for cream cheese last week and found two expired ones, one which had mold growing in it. I asked my wife and she said "Oh you're mom said those are old and just to put them back..." *shrug* so I just put it back, not wanting to disturb the "balance" LOL

HMM...  MIL is definitely not a hoarder, but does like nice dishware / serveware.   She just dropped off boxes of items that I can use for an open house party in a couple of weeks.  There is a lot of stuff!  She retired to their second home outside of town (which is a 3 hr trek to get to, including a ferry), about 10 years ago, then proceeded to buy a lot of small appliances, a set of 24 matching dishes and serveware (x2 for large / small plates), 3x packages of eating utensils, etc.   She has only had more than 8 people total to eat at their new place maybe once in 10 years.  IDK.  At least she donated all her old stuff as she bought new, but man, it seems like a lot for 2 people who are retired.

Side note -- I think there is an instant pot and a induction element in one box.  I will have to try those one out! 

INSTANT POT?! I'll take it if you don't want it! :P Crap, I'm already turning into my parents...

Growing up, my dad did most of the cooking (My mom's work hours were longer, and she had a very long commute). Now that he's 66, I think my dad has decided he paid his dues. He deosn't want to spend his remaining time on this earth cooking (my mom still works similar hours). So he doesn't. I think older folks often feel this way, hence the popularity of these restaurants.

Makes sense... I think my mom might feel that way because I rarely ever see her cook. Part of it is the stress of multi-tasking in cooking (prepping, cooking, cleaning) etc but the other part of it is that my dad gets all up in her bidness when she's cooking and she gets extra stressed out just having him around there. Admittedly, if you ask my wife she'll tell you the same thing about me LOL. I think my dad [and I, I guess] find some release/relief in cooking? It's somewhat therapeutic, barring oil splatters and burns in the face and other extremities... LOL

Anyway, yea my mom would always cook growing up. And she enjoys it time to time. But this past Thanksgiving reminded me how little she enjoys it especially with my dad making his 'experiments' while she's trying to handle everything else. I never remember my dad being interested in cooking so much until after he retired... if he's not rambling on about travels and gadgets, he's talking someone's ear off about the latest experiments in the kitchen (it doesn't help that he has zero sense of smell either)
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Re: Do any of your parents hoard and try to give you crap and other dumb stuff?
« Reply #332 on: December 13, 2017, 08:31:37 PM »
Apparently I hoard Amazon and other boxes in one of my closets.  The idea was that I would use them if I ever sold stuff on eBay that I'd been meaning to get rid of.  Tonight I pulled them all out, flattened them, and brought them down to cardboard recycling.  Phew, feels good to get rid of that!

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Re: Do any of your parents hoard and try to give you crap and other dumb stuff?
« Reply #333 on: December 13, 2017, 09:25:44 PM »
Doesn’t it feel great to get rid of stuff? I have a pile in the corner for a goodwill run soon and get excited just thinking about the junk I can toss. It is easier when my husband is away on travel so I can make some unilateral decisions :)

In my mind minimalist is buying once and buying quality, and thinking hard about what you really need before pulling the trigger. If you buy a more expensive version of an item you are more likely to reflect before purchasing, and since it is quality you only need one and my need to replace it frequently. I get driven crazy by having three cheap copies of <insert random item>. I can remember sitting in my in-law’s garage with my husband and playing the game of “how many of x item can you spot without moving from our seats?”. Good lord, who needs five cans of WD-40 or three dremel drills?
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